Speaker 1
00:00
Umuchuga so do Pyromestanyan nuclear one and Kasano compounding of shaderi shitonia. So in Korea there is a trend to increase use the more eco friendly materials such as biomass.
Speaker 1
00:55
So even for the rovers, the robot companies, they are looking for how they can increase the content, the rate of the biomass. And as you might know that many of the materials are derived from the oil based oil, right? Those are the oil based, but it is also using the biomass and increasing the content of the biomass is one of the Korean government product as well. So among those biomass there would be the many companies are looking for the cellulose nanofibers. So that is these days trends in Korea. But they are already collaborating, I guess with local Korean sellers.
Speaker 1
02:00
So this company doesn't have Hanson PMP. So have you heard about this company's name? Hanso Paper and also but since Kungan Architect is the rubber company, they have no connection with these two paper companies.
Speaker 1
02:30
Penis, could you open up Robo Island and so you don't catch up in Champ you check out and but not so munga which are Congo, right? Munga.
Speaker 1
03:04
Now we do not reject we can't you um it's in the spam automatically? Yeah, just two members. Pretty okay.
Speaker 1
03:48
So we can give a little background on our product and first a couple of slides about the company itself or toban and your gods in the Pogado. So we are biorefinery refining wood. Instead of refining oil, we're refining wood. So we're taking the wood and we're splitting it into many different products.
Speaker 1
04:51
We're medium sized company, 1100 employees. Chungyong we have about 800 different products in different categories. LinGin based fire Polymers is our biggest product paella e Gay Kun and we are the world's largest producer of lingo.
Speaker 1
05:35
Sulfon lingo sophonic ling no, sulfonate lingo sophonic hadamani legal illegal purpose. So the older material is derived from the wood, right? Everything derived software, yes, different software, different factories.
Speaker 1
06:10
But yeah, we also make specialty cellulose so cellulose, high purity cellulose for raw materials for cellulose chemicals initiative is and our own high purity cellos is the raw material for Sendlos Fibrills, which is the XA baga in the wandadego actually, the CEO of this company, he is interested in the ligonin as well.
Speaker 1
07:14
We have plenty of that. We can talk about that. In fact, for dispersion of some things he's using it's very good. We also produce second generation bioethanol. You say the pio bioethanol second generation means not from food source. And we're the only producer of vanilla flavor from Lingmin, liguni, pananama Bashira bashi nano.
Speaker 1
08:15
So we are trying to focus focus on sustainable chemicals. So instead of oil and refining, we do sustainable, renewable raw material like wood into chemicals, oil based bodhanaisi muji. So we can produce in several factories and in our main factory in Norway, we produce 375,000 tons of lingosulphenate. We produce 160,000 tons of tender pulse.
Speaker 1
09:16
375,000 of the linguist of an egg. 373 75 anyway. 375 thousand of lingo soft legs in five factories in the world. Yeah. 160,000 tons of pop of cell los specialty tendos. 116,001 60. Yeah. One 60 billion. No, that's that's money. 160,000 tons of pulp and up to 1000 dry tons of exilpa.
Speaker 1
10:14
Or MFC Shimita shimyung man dong. And if you know some I am kind of generally very society someplace. You. But so when you when you split a wood, you get about 45% fibers.
Speaker 1
11:15
45% of fibers. Yeah. Which goes to the specialty tendos and to the exhale, actually. Baro Yomi can meet us. He has a question about the religion. It's sizes of what about the size of the particle for ligament? Lignin lignin particle size? Powder. Powder? 1 mm powder. Yeah is bigger. Not much. One 1 powder. But it's water soluble.
Speaker 1
12:15
Water soluble. But you should if you use the powder, usually you dissolve it. Powder. Taiwan hasha powder. Hashiman. So it's it's not it cannot be used for oil. No, not lingual software. So maybe craft language because mean whatever. So do you actually produce only the living document? Also do you produce living for for the use of the oil?
Speaker 1
13:14
Only the Chin Su Tongman can bully from. Want to solid. Yeah. Legal to yeah.
Speaker 1
13:43
Compact to rewards and how to come and find chemical and just with my tobacco and time of day because of but, you know, higher than before meeting. It's like just like yeah.
Speaker 1
14:25
But yeah um but yeah some fruit when I give you know to be example china but also you won't jumping and josie and he is wondering if the CNF also can be contained contained in the third party but actually, your partner already explained that you have two different processes.
Speaker 1
15:46
There's a totally different if you go to the next you see, we split the fire refinery starts with this one. Okay? Fire refinery starts with wood. And you go into a cooking process. The cooking reacts the lean in with sulfur based acid and forms lingual sulfur mixing Iranian, Irana, booty.
Speaker 1
16:44
So almost every lingian is removed in this process. And further here the fiber only goes to make special tenders washed so. There's no content of material then body observe in Dana dishebo in the Five O Mandama in the Pangson based upon a table, cell load and pombayomira. So just make sure that you use the stir for base to solvent. Maybe not my solvent. Sulfuric acid. Sulfur acid?
Speaker 1
17:41
Sulfuric acid because your company use stir? Frigate. Not sulfuric, but sulfite cooking. It's sulfite acid. S I three with some cell phone, so three? Could they talk in a bridge?
Speaker 1
18:15
They only days on an I double tetra panga by some hashing a star fighter one and gay go hang tongue 1st 40k sorry fury more milder just turbo living me since one beginning cooking palm Beja and palm bison hashan. And so the Ligoning. Is it a fewer fuel Ligoning or safer rated Ligoning? Sulfonated this is why it's water solid hydropin. Hydropin.
Speaker 1
19:10
So our applications, for example, of a lin and all down here in animal feed in. Agrochemicals batteries requesting it's all water based technology. Concrete, concrete. Dong Petori, Iran. The time it was bed. Yeah. Tomb Song here is was bed. Carry the Bridge one Dade Suyung song autumn and whatever that we cannot so is.
Speaker 1
20:06
It possible that if we finally have a collaboration, that we receive the samples for samples of this powder. Can you do Some ligand assessment? Like, we can evaluate it after receiving the sample. Junk and dumb and, you know suffering from the power of money. Suffering. She's talking about exhibit.
Speaker 1
21:03
Timoni Kurasa, chip Kajuko Was Yogi So. And here is the Excel mother sandalwoods. The main applications that we have commercialized is in adhesives water based. Adhesives water based.
Speaker 1
21:26
Coating water based agricultural formulations personal care, home care laundry and things like this water based and sub in construction which not so much water but there's no salt water based on the Tetran the Kazung Yong concrete concrete tutorial resting and Chad Apply has authority kanana Tom Gadenida for auto application for auto measurement.
Speaker 1
22:36
You know what trying to get growing. So this is what pixel was looking like. This is 2% and this is the 810 percent. This one is ready to use. This one requires high shear activation.
Speaker 1
23:44
Bridget cut she haggin to yong and who a time you can hami like Humbum do kunjo and quota cooking and hometown be automated so the rovers also the botanicals which can be created for which can be used for rover.
Speaker 1
24:51
They also have water based and I will show later parallel work. So we have work on roof coating, which is what you call elastomeric coating. Very, very.
Speaker 1
25:09
Thick but sprayable coating high solid and the effects of Excel bar on the strength and elongation within so I will show some data later which could be parallel to do water based take it to Kega to Go kingdom and in principle, if you can find a way and I know such technology exists because I've heard of it in Japan, maybe somebody in Finland.
Speaker 1
26:04
Also the technology to use in SBR or some other non waterboard systems, but to get rid of the water. There is such technology being developed then also the same strength enhancement, for example.
Speaker 1
26:30
But slightly less elongation can be expected from yeah, mania Banya gay and the ones and Kisuri amakisur ita going the kazong the hamyaka jung as a ibon in a Filipino kisur is the kachi jerome Buddham Taiwan Buddha tego hessa Subunita kachi and pony so mogul shika tepuma tashi to sing sam Hannah kuroki. Damian man yeah.
Speaker 1
27:12
So but has features of this type of material. It's MFC is it forms a three dimensional network when you disperse it in water or a water based solvent.
Speaker 1
27:57
The chigum in the chicken yogi to walking Irago tail in and very high service area. And a lot of oh group. So it will interact with everything in a mixture and form this network together with this to make it stronger. Croquet light.
Speaker 1
28:46
It gives a very highly shear thinning rheology pingjangi dopundam Pakwa tuxongita which has many applications, particularly in coatings type applications and for spraying application extent today. And it also has very high viscosity when it's standing still, no shear.
Speaker 1
29:34
And this is used a lot also in waterborne dispersions where they have solid particles or particles or something that would settle out. So Antiseptic Uncle could be a ping dang brute gay has a tie. He so get an and thrown japan probably. It's very robust. It will work in all PH.
Speaker 1
30:33
It will work in different temperatures in the same way without being affected 150 or 180 degrees. It will work with salts and it will work with some solvents. But you should have some water there to form the network. If you give just solvents, it will hide itself away from the solvent. So TaiwanI kanan yogi period. It's also film forming material, so we'll form films.
Speaker 1
31:33
And the pure film of silver is also a barrier against oxygen, nitrogen and grease. Factory Tepu Mi Pushi or Tadan hannah Kang Pilot Tadan Yokaga Pushi and Yoga you supply commercially the liquid like this, usually in IBC, one ton liquid at a time can be pumped quite easily.
Speaker 1
32:30
And the 10% paste we pack in sausage and we are picking two times nine. But more usual is 120 kilos in a box. And then on the pallet, one point no, one sausage of 20 kilos. Nine kilos. So, yeah, put on easy kilo taniro put on the nita or in one big bag. Yeah, easy KIRO taniro put on palate. Yeah, big bag. So how how long how long it can be stored? And also, what about the conditions for the storage? This one, the 10%, 10%, 10%. One we can store.
Speaker 1
33:30
Currently, the shelf life is 1.5 years, 18 months. We're working to extend that. We're improving this skin. Shigun Pushim. Yanzero yes. Poign and there you, Tony and Pogue and Peking Han and Roy Jokum water holding possibilities for the skin. And the only reason after 18 months the product is out of specification is because of water content. So it loses some water over time then? Yeah. So it bonika shipagi nago damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1
34:23
Kurosa tepuma punji, which is what about the temperature? You should not freeze it just above freezing is okay. Is it okay for the room temperature? Yeah, room temperature is okay. Four degrees is okay. For the case of 2%, don't freeze is at least two years from the important. What about sponges?
Speaker 1
35:23
If you don't open the packet? No, open the packet, leave it around. Maybe after a while the pompangi gets demand. Put down a pocket. But it is cellulose and pure cellulose with very little sugar or anything else. So it's not very good food for fungus. It doesn't like wood very long time to roto. King jang sun suhan pure pang take it demon to gaining soy tanga sugar. I don't do in go targotikitzima.
Speaker 1
36:21
So you get compounding a peanut to cone to con and you get them comparing about teaching and yeah, but it so just speaking just back to the ligament about their properties, about their features. Is it also antifragame? Anti anti blame anti fire retardant?
Speaker 1
36:57
Yes, fire retardant is it nova and pizza with he has been with he has been he found that there's somebody who told him there is a paper about this living and it can also have the fire return. It can prevent the fire feature we said so, you know, crucifixion because, you know, it's it's kind of common sense that it is wood. Right.
Speaker 1
37:47
So since he already know that the ligand is from the wood so wood is usually like and usually in a paper factory where they make lots of lingian not water soluble, but this other lingian maybe he's talking about more the most common thing for them to do is burn it. So I don't think it's very fire resistant to reason. In suson Isima in the put tongue. Susong tarantula tejiyong susonga. It's a koshiko. Kogi so to AMA Kurdo iran daniel bunzeka puripunzeka one zoni tata.
Speaker 1
38:44
Yeah prevent the fire. But it could maybe have some maybe living in we have a factory in Norway to produce the Kilba and its initial capacity, like I said before, is 1000 dry based tons means 50,000 tons of the 10% base.
Speaker 1
39:34
Bohemian she was 20 just at the 15550 yeah, 50, sorry, 10,000. 10,000, yeah, right. She put on the bicep liquid, 10,000 tons and yeah, that's been running since 20 16 20 16. 20 16, yeah, it's okay. So you have a picture already here.
Speaker 1
40:26
This is just compared it's not coming out very well, but it's like it looks like this tang we already did this is showing the shear thinning, very high viscosity when just standing in a bottle and then for example, you spray or pump it or whatever, the viscosity drops very much then it will come back again.
Speaker 1
41:04
Tom DuKai Kitamuna Kingdom so it's it's very much higher viscosity per unit cellulose than for example, a cellulose ether signal like hydroxylos or something. Hydroxy HEC you can say he much, much higher, hundreds of times higher.
Speaker 1
41:46
The Koi Sango song you will be tongued so the she's she's wondering how it can have that shear thinning properties how it can because of if you go back to no yeah, this here it forms a flexible particle and when it's at rest, it has very strong interaction with everything else.
Speaker 1
42:35
Forming a high viscosity doesn't crow crochet but shear will easily deform this particle if you like. Also this is many fibrills, very thin nanometer thin micron length but they don't exist individual, they exist as a particle and then together with everything else so when it's not squashed it's very strongly attached in the network and when you pressure it give it some shear then it will deform very quickly. So then the viscosity will drop.
Speaker 1
43:27
The chocolate king Jang Tanzan hagengo mito by crew. King Jang yeah, but king Jang takjana. Yeah. So the Kogi sang tekata which and Boyanga tamiya. Yeah. Kaptagiku kushiyo ika and tondam to Sodin and Hong Kong.
Speaker 1
44:07
This is just showing how the viscosity, unlike a soluble polymer, the viscosity, again, because it's built from this network and not from a polymer that's entangled it's stable over temperature. It's completely the same viscosity at 20 degrees, and that's 80 degrees. chigum in the kuimoni ugatan and tom do you just don't pull him.
Speaker 1
45:00
She puts, you know, h is, but h is yeah, but you know but others, you know so these are just some of the different properties of Hebrew Tardan, tomato. Yeah. So when you are looking in rubber, what properties do you want to get from adding egg silver into the rubber?
Speaker 1
45:58
But Chigumbanya Gay kumu. Actually, but young as or Kumu Kangashi Kiggy So. Actually, but Yungha was a Christian. Actually, but Yungi so kumu. He wants to show you one. Over here. The production.
Speaker 1
46:40
It's organic. Like footage of behind.
Speaker 1
47:05
Yeah, but yeah roger to see I know panama Hamyam washing the toe and just kidding, but I know can but you got some yeah in the world station pushy it is for the push capital push for automobile mobile.
Speaker 1
48:36
Okay, 20 minutes. But they are now testing to print the only nanocellar loads or the NanoCell loads and the legaling together to produce this product. And why do they want to yogi actually but for the eco friendly okay. To reflect on and haki. We had you style, Animal.
Speaker 1
49:28
Yeah, sometimes they take a chuba, you know, queen Yotoba keto and Bay could Kaibu ni ban and go turin and Gay China hoksi boy. Excellent. Excellent. Exceed. But yonga. For more kangdo looking dad and the animal and tad and tips don't demon a you guys on and all of another one.
Speaker 1
50:23
And there we using formulation or excellent. So actually, the main propose is to transition to the production of eco friendly products. Since this product also contains a lot of carbon, they want to reduce the carbon weight about the strength he is not really sure if he can increase the strength it's because your product is water based but as far as he know he has known that the oil based NanoCell load also hasn't increased the strength.
Speaker 1
51:22
So he is not sure if using the water based nanocellos can increase the strength or not. So this one has some water based inside no yogi and Jake Suyung song sandlots is water based yeah and how much sandals your potency don't do how many days? 3%. 3% dry based 3% konjogi dry kitchen on some new kitchen and some food. Hotel get them. But yeah. Beg a shivi. Begot shivika. You need hotel.
Speaker 1
52:25
And also, the 10% of these materials produce this one. It is. 3% is nanocello roots, but so the calculation method is different, right? Okay. 3% is nanocells. And the nanocellulars you used for this, did it look like the one we showed? White material? Or was it clear powder? Powder or so Kuromi and Xi but one and Xi but yeah. Yeah. Modern EPDM do so, yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1
53:17
And they go in and Carbonal then etherado the person. They go and culture carbon bullet. So could you carbon blade the carbon? Of level someone, but carbon level. So since, you know, they use the carbon black and to achieve their material properties but what if they will reduce the rate of the carbon black? Then the material property is different.
Speaker 1
54:14
So they need to recover those material properties. So, like this actually, this rubber is natural lover and it can also use with EPDM and Aquil, but it is also applied with the carbon. So they are really not really sure. If they can increase their advantages. But they don't want to. They want to replace the same. This one has the same as normal or less chromium.
Speaker 1
54:54
Same properties as if it was without some replacement mania gay Chigam Suji Daglo sugar onion x yeah but yeah is there okay so but say that of The Exceptional and choker to choke out of The Middle dominion civil dominion even getting A Dog you Cannot do yeah don't they so cannot never use.
Speaker 1
56:37
So for this one actually about he hasn't actually said it, but he can say that using this CNF from this company still have a good effect. But his standard is higher than this one, so he hasn't satisfied that yet. And he actually used the ligament before, but the quality was not as good as this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1
57:23
And yeah, so, you know, thinking compounding or has there now? Kira. Kira. Oil united. So turn it over. Now, you could take a bit or ship for yeah, you know me. Done.
Speaker 1
58:19
You proverb so general Ham yeah. So that he as far as he can as far as he concerns that even though he can replace the one with yours exclude. He thinks he can maintain the similar the quality as it did. Okay. North regarding database like programs program.
Speaker 1
59:35
So actually his company has manufactured this robot product for a really long time. So he has established a lot of data. And so what he wanted to do is whether it is 2% or 10%, he wanted to use Axle bus to test if it can also maintain the same quality as now or not. But he believes that there's.
Speaker 1
1:00:00
No problem to maintain the quality as of now and also he wanted to test with the ligand as well since it's better to have more worm materials to have a mix to test to find the best products would be the future goals right? And while doing those test thing and cooperation with your company that he wanted to also establish his data for his product to achieve the best quality of the product stability and I mean probability.
Speaker 1
1:01:03
So actually, he also usually discussed something about with this Kotimi company and actually he found that the stability with stability in terms of using the Lignini nano cellulosello loose. But what if it can have a dynamic he can have a variety of different the properties he can have. So he wanted to test yeah, sorry. Fundamentally, we are different nanosterroid.
Speaker 1
1:01:59
We suggested that we provided is all right, pin type, very single microfiber type steroid we provided, however, type of your company. Now, Steroids is very networking system. Yes, that's right. So the morphology basically different. Yes. So we are testing and we also have the Ligoning ligament, soft rated ligament. Okay. So in this one, it's Pin type nanocrystal. Nanocrystal, okay. Yeah, it's very different. Very different. Okay.
Speaker 1
1:02:51
What I know what I can share with you is when it comes to mixing in a high solid formation like this, that becomes rubbery afterwards. So this is Acrylic roof coating.
Speaker 1
1:03:16
When it dries like this, first you spray it on or you roll it on so it's more liquid, but then it dries it's it's like a rubbery type thing dorin Jund bandojanamian and you can use different thickeners. And this one is our highest fibrination, the most powerful product we have.
Speaker 1
1:04:16
And the effect on the property of the finished film is almost twice the tensile strength. Twice, two times twice is like that.
Speaker 1
1:04:36
Okay, yours and boy is she don't hungover 86 you are children say tender things to God and I know wing it can have a very powerful effect on the strength.
Speaker 1
1:05:35
At the same time, the elongation how much it can be bent or also pulled before it snaps will be slightly negatively affecturona who they were hired and young young to juror system with the Kangdon ULA this is, of course, water based formulation that ends like a rubber. I've also seen results for rubber for tire manufacturing.
Speaker 1
1:06:20
There's some other work going on in this one 2.9% no, this is as 100 point 29%, zero point 29 young Damien 3% as a table. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1
1:07:13
Dolls eating this is there coating data? Actually, yeah, you know, a quick coating behind the butcher acrylic coating channel what based? Water based. Water based coating. But when it dries, it's elastomeric coated rubber like. But I've also seen results for rubber, I think not natural rubber, but for tires, unnatural rubber. Also the material properties with CNF, with our silver, I don't know how much they put, but the tensile strength went very high.
Speaker 1
1:08:10
But then it would not be elongated. So you might expect if you know how to put silver in with the water into this, you might expect higher tensile strength, maybe some lower elongation. That's what you can expect as a material, Tony. Or Captain Tongue, actually.
Speaker 1
1:08:43
By young Hesso Chongga Band and Taiyo Pedong kangdoga and the ULA kangdo Ulagan and Mankunu Kaku but Yonga Tami and Kuburu Paco Pang Shivo Kung Dong italas or Tongue talent to isikora meeting to economy of meetings due to the time constraint So maybe we would maybe it's good for us to conclude soon due to the time constraint.
Speaker 1
1:10:13
Yeah. And have a kickoff, I think I could feel. But so for the for the conclusion remarks, he'd like to give his appreciation to you guys for coming here. Coming here. And he has been struggling for finding the companies and material companies. So once again, he would like to thank you for coming. And if it is possible, that he would like to receive some samples.
Speaker 1
1:11:13
It doesn't have to be more than 20 kg. Maybe less. Of course they're less than one. Less than five. He has no idea how much the weight of the sampling so. That's why he said he doesn't need 20 something. However, once he received the samples and he wants to test and then also he wants to share the visuals with your company as well. Ligarin do for Kacheri so and also the ligament too.
Speaker 1
1:11:57
Not only exhiba exhiba and ligament, but how do you regarding flexible they're going to say the normal stuff that we have done before the counseling. We are talking about the volume that they need and before we finish the meeting, could you please make a proper researcher for this? Bubble blood which contains something that contains cobble blood for rubber.
Speaker 1
1:12:54
Normality culture differing on the importance. First compare. Other calcium is better, but superstain. Check. Let's say they can be replaced. Some come black. Let's see what they're thinking. You know someone yeah, but yeah, probably sharing. Don't be. But.
Speaker 1
1:13:51
Yeah, but actually means how so she sin was but you know and yeah. Tom. Jesus. I thought, you know. Yeah. Me now. Beautiful.
Speaker 1
1:14:53
Yeah. CNN. CNN is a secretary for nine hair chicken. And they will be number five only sharing. Talking over the top, talking over the tongue. Normal heat. CNS is like fiber, but different.
Speaker 1
1:15:43
That's why he is also so he could achieve because of the short term for genuine? Yeah, because of the short term. It's the same CNF carbon nanofiber. And I also learned about this company. He's a company. I also found the CNF. It's carbon nanofiber, but I was like, Was it a carbon nanofiber? But you said CNF. Is it available? So that's why I was confusing.
Speaker 1
1:16:30
He doesn't bring up is because favorite Japanese terminology for what is your we use cellulose fibrillation or microfibrilated. Cellulose. Yeah. MSC to TF or Ms. Crystal yomora Peter well, yeah, because cellulose people have microfibri late to cellulose. Not so microfibri late usually.
Speaker 1
1:17:28
But when we talk to two Asian countries, particularly Japan, we hike to use ten loss nanopiber. Otherwise they don't understand microfibers. Sell those microfibers and also meeting. So he was it was not related to this meeting at agenda, but he was just think about something funny situation. What if I have a meeting? What if he has a meeting with your company and another company use the CNS, the Kybo nanofiber.
Speaker 1
1:18:28
So what if when you guys use the same terminology for short term terminologies, how they can communicate? It was like his funny imagination of the situation. The last question was not related to this meeting. Yes, because you know, we get an MFC. MFC. MFC. MF. Know. So now he wants to decide which term he should use with your company. MFC would be better because you think he has another product named CNS. Right? Targeting MF.
Speaker 1
1:19:27
She don't have any MFS for coming on. So actually the CNF, they they use they it was already taken, so he cannot replace it since it is older tongue that he has been used. Okay. Yeah. It cannot be changed. Replaced with a new one. So GMs, this is and marketing. Can I take a picture of this one? No fiber blessing.
